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@grannman Most photos still show the good ol' PSO-1 on SVDs, though I have seen a couple with the Minuta. I've never seen the higher power PSOs or PKS-07 on them, but my impression is that they use what they can get. As long as I don't change the bullet weight, it SEEMS ok, but as I said, I have yet to see. However, I figure you are correct as my understanding is that it was originally intended for the PK machinegun. It just seems "wrong" to let a scope do what should be instinctive.
@grannman Most photos still show the good ol' PSO-1 on SVDs, though I have seen a couple with the Minuta. I've never seen the higher power PSOs or PKS-07 on them, but my impression is that they use what they can get. As long as I don't change the bullet weight, it SEEMS ok, but as I said, I have yet to see. However, I figure you are correct as my understanding is that it was originally intended for the PK machinegun.
@varanid9 I'm not sure the Russians do use the 1p21 on the Dragunov much despite the marketing blurb that sellers peddle with it. From what I've seen and read I’d wager the 1p21 is uncommon on an SVD. It is physically a busy scope and most sharp shooters would find the forced elevation changes when adjusting magnification as a meddling intrusion, especially when using ammunition of different weights like incendiary or armour piercing that wouldn't conform to the scope's ballistic setup.
@grannman Yeah, I've heard some discouraging things about the 1P21, but our russki friends seem to like it. I'm thinking (hoping) that "thinking outside the box" and approaching it differently from conventional scopes will do the trick; the instructions seem to be ingeniously simple, so I'm hoping other shooters have overcomplicated it. I have reservations about it mounting noticeably more to the left than even a PSO, though.
@grannman Hey grannman, I just had to say that it's .325 MOA per click for elevation - Or 3.25cm @ 100m. I sure as hell hope we can import Tigrs again here in the US soon. Excellent vid reviewing the Tigr BTW. Cheers!
@varanid9 Thanks. On my existing firearms license I can do pretty much anything except install a flash hider or larger magazine. If I upgrade my license I can do both. But I'm not fussed to be honest and so I'm leaving things as they are. Good luck with the 1p21. The 8x42 is enough of a headache with its click values.
Excellent quality video. Thank you for posting this, as I have a tiger much like yours, though with a regular bbl, an SVDS flash-front sight, and a 1P-21 "Minuta" scope. I recently purchased a 1200 meter rear sight and SVD gas block, but I have yet to fire my rifle, so your post should be most helpful. Are you still accumulating parts for yours, or is your particular tiger configured to local laws?
@grannman Alright.....do you have a Laser Rangefinder?
If not,then the rule of thumb may apply,or you could use landmarks at distances you already know and estimate it by multiplying those distances off your thumb then zeroing it in.
I can't stand in-precise Imperial Units.
@fixdeluxe1 you would be right if this was the traditional 4x pso scope which had elevation adjustments that grew in magnitude with every scale division on the turret. The POSP scope is just a weird setup but the adjustments are uniform so it doesn't matter what cartridge you're shooting. It is a headache to shoot at distances not zeroed for due to the pain in the neck calculating how many clicks etc. Metric is the way to go. 1cm at 100m click values is the way to go.
@grannman I was just jumping onto another topic,sorry there.But it does affect your ability to execute those shots....
Scopes like those are usually set to a certain pattern of rifle,i.e this one and thus are given mathematical adjustment values tailored to their cartridge?
If I'm wrong,correct me.
@fixdeluxe1 There's a wide variation of PSO scopes whare used on anything from machine guns to sniper rifles. Now days they are producing more modern ones like the 1P69.
I don't get what you're talking about with ballistic performance or accuracy. The scope adjustment click values are .65 MOA per click for elevation and .5 MOA for windage per the info I've seen. Hasn't got anything to do with the rifle or cartridge.
@grannman Wow then it must have some good ballistic performance off-hand,or be wildly inaccurate.Are the characters not Romanized?
Yea so it didn't come with that(after-market) sight,and I knew it was Belarussian you mentioned it before.PSO is the sight they use on that 9mm chambered rifle along the Draguanov pattern as well?
@fixdeluxe1 The elevation is apparently .65 MOA while the windage is .5 MOA per click. That info was on a sellor's forum. The manual is hopeless and the online manuals are downright incorrect.
The rifle didn't come with a scope so there is no boresiting. The scope isn't Russian nor milspec but is a commercial setup in Belarus. The PSO scopes are the military grade ones apparently. The irons are on target though and the manufacturer engraves a line on the front post indicating zero point.
@grannman So is Elevation set to something along the lines of quarter of an MOA and wind adjustment to 1 full MOA?
And yes,being manufacture in the Eastern Bloc means some,well production hastening measures must have been taken,including not boresighting sights.
@fixdeluxe1 The posp scope is a bit of a pain due to poorly quantified click adjustment values. Value isn't bad but mine had a piece of glass rattle loose. Had to do a home job to fix it. Will be shifting to a metric scope in time.
Very good Rifle,I would love to own one and GunCity seems to be doing some nice deals on them and SKS's.
Do you prefer the PSOP or more Western Scope Names like Leupold?
Very good that the rifle comes with raw Iron Sights,useful if the scope lens are ruined out in the bush.
Also,comparative to the Kalashkinov rifles with the Reciever,Dust Cover and Bolt/Bolt Spring.The Gas Regulator looks bigger though as well as the cleaning rod seems to be stored above the barrel and front post sight full.
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@grannman Yes, you're right. I think a VZ 58 or SKS would be very close to a SVD in 7.62x39 minus the adjustable gas system.
@esh325 there's not much point. The AK47 & AK74 cover all the basic bases for those intermediate rounds. The Iraqi Tabuk rifle is probably the closest to what you suggest. To get decent range for sharp-shooting you really need a beefier cartridge.
It would be interesting to see a SVD in 7.62x39 or 5.45x39.
@Spyrogaux yes indeed they do.
I'm happy you have a real Dragunov, and not an Kalashnikov with an extended barrel. To many people confuse the two.
Out of all fairness these scopes were not designed for competition shooting or one inch groupings.
@SEALofthefuture1962 The caliber is bigger than the ak and usually uses a 10 round magazine, unlike the ak, which uses the standard capcity if 30 rounds
@fastfire97 The USSR and Russia are very different things. Belarus was a member of the USSR just like the Ukraine, Russia and assorted Baltic states. POSP scopes aren't original but share the same style. For the price they probably do very well by comparison to competition. However the adjustments are large and not quantified making long distance shooting a Kentucky windage fest. On top of that my Tigr rattled an internal piece loose. I require some quality but will also keep a posp around |